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	<title>Comments on: One fast track. Two investigations. 3522 answers. Still no convergence&#8230;.</title>
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	<description>A weblog by Charles-H. Schulz.</description>
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		<title>By: Fredrik E. Nilsen</title>
		<link>http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2008/01/15/one-fast-track-two-investigations-3522-answers-still-no-convergence/comment-page-1/#comment-593</link>
		<dc:creator>Fredrik E. Nilsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say you had them in September, I said they were available in September. I have no knowledge about how and when Afnor distributed them but that was not the point. They were available for those who wanted to see them.

I also note that you don&#039;t dispute the fact that the final draft has been available since the 14. of January. That gives you six weeks to prepare for the BRM.

I have not disputed the fact that there were 3522 initial comments. I have said that there is 1050 &lt;i&gt;unique or distinct&lt;/i&gt; comments. That is consistent with information from Alex Brown who will be leading the BRM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say you had them in September, I said they were available in September. I have no knowledge about how and when Afnor distributed them but that was not the point. They were available for those who wanted to see them.</p>
<p>I also note that you don&#8217;t dispute the fact that the final draft has been available since the 14. of January. That gives you six weeks to prepare for the BRM.</p>
<p>I have not disputed the fact that there were 3522 initial comments. I have said that there is 1050 <i>unique or distinct</i> comments. That is consistent with information from Alex Brown who will be leading the BRM.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fredrik,

&quot;If you had them in december you still have had more than two months to find out wich comments are the most important. The comment have been available everywhere since september. Even I have had access to them since then. You have had access to the final draft since 14. of January. That gives you at least six weeks to review the final draft.&quot;

You&#039;re too kind with me, Sir. I claim I never got them before December. Just ask the Afnor. That&#039;s all. 

A&quot;ccording to Shazhad Rana who is member of the Norwegian delegation, there are 1050 unique comments. I have access to the final draft myselv and though I haven’t counted them all, his number seem correct.&quot;

Funny, on the Ecma consolidated documents, I have about 3522 comments.... And that you can check asap I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fredrik,</p>
<p>&#8220;If you had them in december you still have had more than two months to find out wich comments are the most important. The comment have been available everywhere since september. Even I have had access to them since then. You have had access to the final draft since 14. of January. That gives you at least six weeks to review the final draft.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re too kind with me, Sir. I claim I never got them before December. Just ask the Afnor. That&#8217;s all. </p>
<p>A&#8221;ccording to Shazhad Rana who is member of the Norwegian delegation, there are 1050 unique comments. I have access to the final draft myselv and though I haven’t counted them all, his number seem correct.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny, on the Ecma consolidated documents, I have about 3522 comments&#8230;. And that you can check asap I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Fredrik E. Nilsen</title>
		<link>http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2008/01/15/one-fast-track-two-investigations-3522-answers-still-no-convergence/comment-page-1/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>Fredrik E. Nilsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, Alex Brown , who will be leading the BRM also states the following:

&quot;The delegation should ideally know their national position on all 1,000 or so distinct comment/responses that could be discussed.&quot;

I believe I have proved that you are the one telling lies here. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, Alex Brown , who will be leading the BRM also states the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;The delegation should ideally know their national position on all 1,000 or so distinct comment/responses that could be discussed.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe I have proved that you are the one telling lies here. <img src='http://standardsandfreedom.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Fredrik E. Nilsen</title>
		<link>http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2008/01/15/one-fast-track-two-investigations-3522-answers-still-no-convergence/comment-page-1/#comment-590</link>
		<dc:creator>Fredrik E. Nilsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My name is Fredrik, that shouldn&#039;t be too hard to get right. ;)

If you had them in december you still have had more than two months to find out wich comments are the most important. The comment have been available everywhere since september. Even I have had access to them since then. You have had access to the final draft since 14. of January. That gives you at least six weeks to review the final draft.

According to Shazhad Rana who is member of the Norwegian delegation, there are 1050 unique comments. I have access to the final draft myselv and though I haven&#039;t counted them all, his number seem correct.

How will ECMA be in position to tell the delegates what they shall discuss and not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My name is Fredrik, that shouldn&#8217;t be too hard to get right. <img src='http://standardsandfreedom.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If you had them in december you still have had more than two months to find out wich comments are the most important. The comment have been available everywhere since september. Even I have had access to them since then. You have had access to the final draft since 14. of January. That gives you at least six weeks to review the final draft.</p>
<p>According to Shazhad Rana who is member of the Norwegian delegation, there are 1050 unique comments. I have access to the final draft myselv and though I haven&#8217;t counted them all, his number seem correct.</p>
<p>How will ECMA be in position to tell the delegates what they shall discuss and not?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fenil,

what&#039;s your point here? 
This post is full of lies. &quot;The delegates had access to all the comments... in September&quot;??? Bullshit! I, as a member of the Afnor committee only had access to them in December. 

1050 comments? Where do you see that? 3522 comments, that&#039;s the truth, Sir. 
I give it right to you for the 5 days.  The rest is just your own interpretation of my post, I never said the Ecma ran the BRM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fenil,</p>
<p>what&#8217;s your point here?<br />
This post is full of lies. &#8220;The delegates had access to all the comments&#8230; in September&#8221;??? Bullshit! I, as a member of the Afnor committee only had access to them in December. </p>
<p>1050 comments? Where do you see that? 3522 comments, that&#8217;s the truth, Sir.<br />
I give it right to you for the 5 days.  The rest is just your own interpretation of my post, I never said the Ecma ran the BRM.</p>
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		<title>By: Fredrik E. Nilsen</title>
		<link>http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2008/01/15/one-fast-track-two-investigations-3522-answers-still-no-convergence/comment-page-1/#comment-585</link>
		<dc:creator>Fredrik E. Nilsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you would a much better chance of making your point if you were a little bit more truthful in your blog.

&quot;On the 14th of January 2008, the final set of answers to the comments  is being published on the Ecma web site (note that you still need a password to access those so the public is left out in the wild). The closed OOXML specification (just because it does not match the publicity requirement makes it lose its “open” attribute) will thus be amended. &quot;

This is a decision of ISO, not of ECMA. 

&quot;The Ecma may agree with the comment at hand,  but its detailed answer ends up by proposing something that does or doesn’t modify what the proposal made in the original comment with arguments that usually go along the lines of self-justification, polite rephrasing of the comment that bends it to the Ecma’s view and ended up confusing the reader.&quot;

Any examples?

&quot;They actually read 3522 comments and replied to them. &quot;

Of the 3522 comments only 1050 were unique. That is under 1/3 of the total number of comments.

&quot;Seriously, 3522 comments in 4 days...&quot;

1050 comments and 5 days. It&#039;s still a lot but keep your facts straight.

&quot;Be sure that the Ecma will ask that each country delegate only discusses dispositions that are contained within the set of comments received by its country. &quot;

ECMA is not running the BRM, ISO JTC1 with Alex Brown is. Don&#039;t you think he will have something to say about the procedures? Besides, the attendees are those who voted &quot;No, with comments&quot; or &quot;No&quot; as I have understood the procedures. It&#039;s not the NBs that would have voted &quot;Yes&quot; anyways.

&quot;I hope the international delegates will be able to review this amount of data in 4 days (!)...&quot;

The delegates have had access to all the comments since the initial voting in September. They have had access to the final draft from ECMA from the 14. of January. That means they have had plenty of time to review what comments they think are important and how they should be solved. When the BRM starts in the end of February they have had six weeks to review the final draft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you would a much better chance of making your point if you were a little bit more truthful in your blog.</p>
<p>&#8220;On the 14th of January 2008, the final set of answers to the comments  is being published on the Ecma web site (note that you still need a password to access those so the public is left out in the wild). The closed OOXML specification (just because it does not match the publicity requirement makes it lose its “open” attribute) will thus be amended. &#8221;</p>
<p>This is a decision of ISO, not of ECMA. </p>
<p>&#8220;The Ecma may agree with the comment at hand,  but its detailed answer ends up by proposing something that does or doesn’t modify what the proposal made in the original comment with arguments that usually go along the lines of self-justification, polite rephrasing of the comment that bends it to the Ecma’s view and ended up confusing the reader.&#8221;</p>
<p>Any examples?</p>
<p>&#8220;They actually read 3522 comments and replied to them. &#8221;</p>
<p>Of the 3522 comments only 1050 were unique. That is under 1/3 of the total number of comments.</p>
<p>&#8220;Seriously, 3522 comments in 4 days&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>1050 comments and 5 days. It&#8217;s still a lot but keep your facts straight.</p>
<p>&#8220;Be sure that the Ecma will ask that each country delegate only discusses dispositions that are contained within the set of comments received by its country. &#8221;</p>
<p>ECMA is not running the BRM, ISO JTC1 with Alex Brown is. Don&#8217;t you think he will have something to say about the procedures? Besides, the attendees are those who voted &#8220;No, with comments&#8221; or &#8220;No&#8221; as I have understood the procedures. It&#8217;s not the NBs that would have voted &#8220;Yes&#8221; anyways.</p>
<p>&#8220;I hope the international delegates will be able to review this amount of data in 4 days (!)&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The delegates have had access to all the comments since the initial voting in September. They have had access to the final draft from ECMA from the 14. of January. That means they have had plenty of time to review what comments they think are important and how they should be solved. When the BRM starts in the end of February they have had six weeks to review the final draft.</p>
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